Is Namaaz Salaat?

by Zara, London (UK), Sunday, July 15, 2012, 04:06 (2537 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

Salaam,

With respect, please let me repeat that I feel you are missing the point. I think that I was clear enough in my last post.

A two pronged approach is what has been sanctioned. Physical (for God) and practical (for mankind) duties which together encompass our duty to God.

Again, if this was so important the exact form would have been given to us, but it was not for a reason. To get the namaz and form of sujood you do we have to go to extra sources which are not sanctioned by Allah in the Quran [only follow hadith of Allah, the Quran], or our ancestors handing down the practice generation to generation:


Your use of 2:170 is misplaced here. What we say in the prayer and how many times we wish to prostrate is left to us and is not of importance, hence no need for detail. The hadith has nothing to do with it frankly. The fact that the hadith confirm some aspects of the prayer does not mean that it was the source of the practice.

The Quran gave the directives for prayer including the physical element. A form was established by the community and it fulfilled the requirements of the Quran. By passing down a generic congregational form through the generations, is not a violation of the Quran! 2.170 is taking about people not leaving a particular belief system that God is telling them is wrong because of their ancestors adherence to that system.

The form of prayer we have today cannot, by any stretch of the imagination be considered a wrong practice because it in fact encompasses all the directives stated in the Quran:

Ablution
Qibla
Standing,bowing,prostrating
Timings/regularity
Congregational element
Dress code
Tone of voice
Leader of prayer

Here is Surah 107 as rendered by G.A.Parwez; reflect upon the meaning behind the words used, not just the usual translators interpretation:-

You would only be saying this because you are not happy with the 'usual translators interpretation' which in fact would confirm that a phyiscal prayer is one of the requirements of a worshipper. Please note that I say only one of the requirements!

All the verses in the Quran are there for further deliberation and reflection and it is good to get the author's persepective on the what he/she feels the verses mean.

However I think quite franky that the format in which G.A Parvez translated the Quran has a lot to be desired. He would have been better to translate closely to the Arabic verse by verse then in brackets relect his personal thoughts so that the reader can make a clear distinction when God is speaking as opposed to the authour.


Now to come to your definition of salaat. If I am not mistaken, you believe in attending a regular congregational meeting (3/5) times a day in order to discuss establishing the 'Divine system' which requires RITUAL ablution with water and without it, the need to use sand.

Again, if this was so important the exact form would have been given to us, but it was not for a reason.

I can say the same to you: The exact form of your meeting is missing including what should be discussed in it. Is there really a need to meet up to 5 times a day when one meeting would suffice? Why the need to have ritual cleansing before hand if, as you say, the Quran is not about rituals.

The whole concept is frankly a misfit when looking at all the verses together. A lot of time and effort has been taken to change the meanings of well establised words, rendering a Quran that is full of long winded explanations inserted into the text, often without brackets, that have absolutely no warrant from God.

A dangerous path indeed.

Thanks


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