Namaz - Objections and Counterobjections

by Hicham Mouna, Denmark, Saturday, August 04, 2012, 00:27 (2487 days ago) @ amirabbas


@ Brother Amirabbas

Your post proves my point to some extent. I never argued that people who physically are close to eachother never fail to not understand one another.
Your example is directed at personal flaws between different parties.

My point was that through an online community, we must assume alot when we read anothers post, and more often than not, we tend to miss the posters point by a longshot. Which is why i said that an online community is never the same as physical human interaction with one another.

Understanding a person is more than just understanding the words said, it is also reading the persons "body language"(in lack of better words, but i hope you understand).

For instance, i could find your post somewhat offensive since it could imply certain personal qualities that i lack, but i do not, because i know that you do not know me in person, you only know about me from a post i made in which you made a lot of wrong assumptions. Which is what i was trying to explain in my post to brother Syed when he said that nobody came to aid besides Dr. Shabbir.

In certain situations, it is not that we are running away from helping, it is simply because we do not know how to help. But that in no way implies that we are running from our salaat.. We are always learning

And i completly agree when you say "I believe Muslim should know other people better than themselves since they come to know themselves better."
But mediums such as the internet holds a barrier that strongly bars us from truly understanding one another. (This is simply my opinion.. it is not final in any way)

@ Brother Syed

Dr. Shabbbir often says, "many talk the talk, but few walk the walk".
And i agree to some extent, but not when it comes to our community.
I cannot point to one person in the 4 years i've been in this community, who wasn't willing to learn or try. We all strive to follow our salaat, but we are also all bound by our individuel restrictions/limitations. In the end it comes down to many things, so claiming(if that is what you are claiming) that we run from our duties, then i'd be so harsh to say that your claim is blatantly false in most cases..

Everyone here seeks to establish salaat in our lifes, but first we must understand what salaat is. No one is running away from it, infact i see courage when i read the countless posts in here with brave muslims who dare to ask questions instead of shutting down and only wanting to understand it in one way.

I personally think its disrespectful of you to say that it is a flaw amongst us.
This is not true, if it was we wouldn't be open for new possibilities and understandings of any part of the Qu'ran. Like i said earlier, just because the logical outcome at the moment seems valid for most of us, it doesn't mean that it is final in any way..

As i stated in my post, what we intended to say rarely ever is what was understood by the reader. I never claimed you needed psychiatric help. I simply stated what i would do in a situation if someone i knew told me he/she had suicidal thoughts.
And i don't see that as being insensitive or lacking empathy towards said person.
It is a sound judgement made based upon the fact that i know how dangerous such a mental state is, and that i am aware of my own limitations in which i can help said person. Therefore i would rather see too it that the person gets the proper help he needs so that he can come back on his feet.

If i see someone physically hurt, i call the doctor and don't start surgery myself.
That doesn't mean i lack empathy or am insensitive..

And believe me when i say i understand the hardship of giving without getting..
I try to do good on every part of my life.. but i always see people getting better by doing bad.. But i know better, because Allah, most generous, rewards those who are steadfast in their belief.. And this is one of the few things that can truly calm me and help me continue my current way of life.

I cannot claim to say i've got it harder or just as hard as you.
Living in Pakistan with a different opinion than the masses can get you killed.
I'm aware of this..
But i sincerely doubt any muslim today whom follow the Qu'ran and not hadith doesn't have it hard in one way or the other. We willingly isolate ourselves from our surroundings, our family even, to follow Allah in every aspect of our lives.
But i understand your feeling of being lonely, and your online family will always be there to support you in any way we possibly can.

I hope my post doesn't come off as being disrespectful in anyway.
I am simply trying to give a clear picture of my thoughts on the current matter.

Best regards

- a novice in the long road of learning

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