Location of 105:1-5

by vazir, Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 00:09 (2115 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

My post was intended to say that Qur'an is talking about PEOPLE of Makkah and NOT TRADERS of Makkah as mentioned in your post.

But, I will try to answer your objections:

You wrote:
What you are saying is that the Qur'an was revealed in or around the area of the Dead Sea and not Makkah and Medina.

Have you any proof that those in that area spoke the language of the Qur'an since it was revealed in Arabic to Arabs and not to Hebrew speakers who frequented the Dead Sea area?

My reply:
Did I say that Qur'an was revealed near Dead Sea / Petra? You are putting your words in my mouth.

You wrote:
So all the people passed by the ruins? Have you seen the ruins at Petra? Is it feasible that the recipients of the Qur'an walked by them on their way to and from work?

My reply:
Did I say that ruins are at Petra? These are your words, not mine.

When Qur'an is telling us that people, where Qur'an was revealed, were passing by ruins means they were passing by it, I do not need any proof to believe in this notion. But, if we stick to current belief then it is not feasible and that is my question. Either verse of Qur'an is not making geographical sense or our current belief that town of Lut was near Dead Sea / Petra is wrong.

You wrote:
There is a better understanding of verses 11:82-83 from the one you presented:-

11:82 And so, when Our command came to pass, We brought low the highly arrogant towns (Sodom and Gomorrah), and rained down upon them hard devastating rocks (from the volcano).
11:83 The stones were marked arrows from your Lord. His requital is never far from those who choose to do wrong.

It means any wicked person will be punished, not just the people of Lut or the Mushrik Arabs.

My reply:
I do agree with translation, you mentioned, that people of Lut were destroyed by volcanic eruption. Now, logical question comes to mind is: IS THERE ANY VOLCANIC PICK EXISTING NEAR DEAD SEA?

I understand that “wicked people” mentioned in verse are "people of Makkah" who were persecuting believers of Qur'an.

You wrote:
The meaning is by day and by night, not in the morning and in the night as you have written. I work day and night, which means I work long hours, not every hour of the day [24/7, no, 10 hours a day, yes.]

My reply:
My questions on this point are self-explanatory that “By day and night” means “frequently”. It only means that town of Lut cannot be 1100 Kilometers far from Makkah.

You wrote:
Have you any evidence against the ‘traditional translators’ on this issue or is your understanding of the Quran clouding the scene?

My reply:
Just show me one translation without writings in brackets, whether traditional or reformist. Writings in brackets are clouding the understanding of Qur'an. My point here is of heavy reliance on writings in brackets which are used to justify preconceived notion(s).

In short, Qur'an is clearly telling us that ruins of town of Lut were sign of punishment to see for disbelievers of Qur'an i.e. people of Makkah. So, logically both places should be nearby. That’s all. Where they were located? I don’t know. Future archaeological excavations may answer the question, but I am sure that, on that day, verses of Qur'an will be proved correct and our current understanding wrong.

Note: I am aware that some members of free-mind.org have position that Qur'an was revealed in Petra. But, I do not believe in that position and I see many erroneous assumptions and inferences in their argument. Just for clarification.

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