The “Miṣr” of Yūsuf AH

by vazir, Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 01:23 (2042 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

“The Nile is fed from RAIN water and as the source of the Nile RAIN water is the most important element and without it the Nile would cease to exist. When the rains fail, the Nile dries up, crops fail. “

I assume your comment is based on following passages, which I copied here:

Here is what the Qur’ān tells us: Then after that will come a year in which the people will have rain and they will be able to produce once again. [Quran, 12:49].

The conclusion that can be drawn is that the story of Yūsuf (P) took place in a land that depended on rain for growing crops. This does not fit with the climate of Egypt, because Egypt has always depended on the flooding of the Nile for its agriculture, and not on RAIN.

In fact, Theodor Noldke, a well-known Christian Zionist, once mocked the “author” of the Qur’ān, by claiming that there was a glaring geographical inaccuracy in it concerning Egyptian agriculture. The following are Noldke's exact words, quoted from his book History of the Koran: “....The problem with this passage is that the Egyptian civilization has never depended on rain for the success of its crops. Egyptian agriculture has always depended on the flooding of the Nile for water. Clearly, Muhammad was ignorant of Egypt's geography and climatology and he demonstrates this by associating good harvests with rainfall.”

Now, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the passage is talking about dependence of AGRICULTURE on RAIN where Yusuf (P) lived and NOT the source of water to Nile.

It also talks about the dependence of AGRICULTURE on FLOODING of NILE IN EGYPT and not on RAIN.

Everyone knows that rivers depend on rain. The main source of water of Nile is not the rainfall in Egypt, but somewhere else.

“The Author of the Quran knows this but we are to believe a Zionist Christian who cannot accept the Quran as the Word of God.

If the Quran had not mentioned rain, they would have ridiculed it for not knowing where the water came from!”

It is not a question of believing Zionist Christian, it is question of answering his criticism. I will be more that happy, if you answer Theodor Noldke’s criticism with proofs and shut the mouths of his ilk too.

Here is a something interesting which is compiled from the "Search of Pharaohs" (Page 73-75)

"The Qur’ān is talking about a land that depended on rainwater for agriculture; a land whose plentiful rivers could dry up if rain stopped for a lengthy period; a land whose rivers are not permanently flowing like the Nile, the Amazon, or the Euphrates. It is a land whose inhabitants built wells to store rainwater, which explains why we find Yūsuf (P) in a well, in the beginning of the story.

Some people have blindly rushed to the defense of the “Egyptian Famine” theory, by claiming that there is archeological evidence for it. They point out the following hieroglyphic inscription which was discovered in the Sahal Island (a small island on the Nile), in the year 1890:

The Sahal Inscription:

The stele, known as “Hungry Rock”, describes a seven-year famine that allegedly took place in Egypt during the time of King Djoser of the Third Dynasty. However, archeologists have unanimously cast serious doubts about the authenticity of this inscription, as they have found some glaring evidence that it was made during the Ptolemaic age, sometime around 250 B.C. This means that although the event was claimed to have taken place during the reign of Djoser, the actual inscription itself does not date back to Djoser’s time. You can easily verify what archeologists have said concerning the authenticity of this famous rock, through various sources on the internet.

But what does the stele actually say?
Here follows is a translation of part of the text: “….I was in mourning on my throne. Those of the palace were in grief; my heart was in great affliction. Because Hapy [the river god] had failed to come in time in a period of seven years. Grain was scant, Kernels were dried up, kernels were dried up, scarce was every kind of food…”

Even if the account of the Egyptian famine was indeed real, and not just a story made up by some Ptolemaic priests, it still has absolutely nothing to do with the drought mentioned in the Qur’ān, mainly for two reasons:

First: The Stela is recounting an event that supposedly took place during the Third Dynasty of Egypt, and coinciding precisely with the reign of King Djoser, around 2600 B.C. This means that the event took place more than twelve centuries before Yūsuf’s time!

Second: The cause of the famine, as is told by the inscription, was that the Egyptian river god “failed to show up” when he was supposed to. This means the Nile did not flood. This is further evidence that Egyptian agriculture did not rely on rain. Even the Ptolemites, who most probably associated the Biblical story with Egypt (no doubt due to the influence of the Septuagint translation), and carved the inscription themselves, understood the nature of their country’s climate and geography."

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