Jin O Ins

by Ahmed Mansoor USA, USA, Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 21:41 (1804 days ago)

What wisdom in your view is behind this that GOD instructs the same commandment for Jinns and men and Sons of Adam separately?

6:130 O you assembly of jinns and men (Arabic: الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ ), did not apostles come to you from among you, communicating My signs to you, bringing warnings of this your day (of Doom)?" They will answer: "We bear witness to our sins." They were surely deluded by the life of the world, and bore witness against themselves because they were unbelievers.

7:35 O sons of Adam (بَنِي آدَمَ), when apostles come to you from among you, who convey My messages, then those who take heed and amend will have neither fear nor regret.

The above Ayaat clearly differetiate between Jin O Ins.The Nomads or insan living away from towns are not Jins.

Jin O Ins

by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 07:55 (1804 days ago) @ Ahmed Mansoor USA

Who came in the following verses, even Muhammad Asad said they were Christians and Jews, both termed Jinns, BUT both human beings:-

72:1 Say (O Prophet): It has been revealed to me that a tribe of nomads listened, and then they said, “We have heard a marvelous recital. [46:29]
72:2 It shows the way to Enlightenment, so we have come to believe in it. And we shall never again ascribe a partner to our Lord.
72:3 And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord. He has taken neither a wife, nor a son.
72:4 The foolish among us uttered such outrageous lies about God.

46:29 (O Messenger) We turned toward you a company of the nomads so that they may listen to the Qur‟an. And as soon as they were in its presence, they said, “Listen in silence!” And when it was over, they hurried to their people as warners. [72:1]
46:30 They said, “O Our people! We have heard a scripture that has been revealed after Moses, confirming the (truth in) what came before it. It guides to the truth and to a straight road
[For my interpolation of „truth in‟, see 2:101, 3:78, 5:48. These nomads were obviously followers of the Jewish faith since they make no mention of Jesus]

Also reflect on where we get our genie in a bottle superstitious beliefs from:-

From Talmud and Midrash. (2008). Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopaedia Britannica 2008 Ultimate Reference Suite. Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica.

Astrology was a recognized science in the ancient world. The rabbis could not reject it entirely, and some concluded that the power of the stars is confined to Gentiles. Others made it part of God's order, saying that stars influence this world in the same way that climate influences plants. The rabbis strenuously objected to omens and other forms of divination because they considered them magic. Dreams were considered by some rabbis as meaningless, while others saw in them an element of prophecy.

The rabbis believed in the efficacy of magic but strenuously objected to its practice. They permitted only magic that had been proved effective in healing. They also permitted the use of incantations for the purpose of counteracting the hold of magic. Because of their supposedly protective nature, the use of amulets was also countenanced.

The existence of a demonic kingdom was accepted by the rabbis without question. Evil spirits are invisible and fill the nether world. They avoid sunlight and concentrate in waters and deserted places. They also mingle with people, trouble them, and help them. They have passions and are born and die like people. However, they also have some of the traits and powers of angels. The evil eye was considered as dangerous as evil spirits. It was thought that for mysterious reasons some people have the power to injure others by looking at them and that it is generally jealousy that triggers this effect. The rabbis, however, repeatedly emphasized that all of these strange powers are under the divine government and, moreover, that they cannot hurt the pious.

Jin O Ins

by Quasim Hamdani, Chicago, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 17:05 (1803 days ago) @ Ahmed Mansoor USA

When we look at the phrase al-jini wal-insi, it seems logical to think that these two attributes are presented together as being either similar or opposites.

The root for the word jinn is (jeem nun nun) meaning “veiled / concealed / covered / hid / protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark / possessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind / intellect, confusedness. Become thick / full-grown / blossom, herbage, garden. Spiritual beings that conceal themselves from the senses (including angels), become weak and abject, greater part of mankind, devil / demon, people who are peerless having no match or equal, a being who is highly potent, sometimes refers to Kings because they are concealed from the common folk.”

The root for the word ins is (alif nun siin) meaning “to be or become sociable, companionable, conversable, inclined to company or conversation, friendly, amicable, or familiar. To be or become cheered, or gladdened or cheerful, gay, or gladsome. To be or become at ease, or tranquil; without shrinking or aversion.”

To me the jinn and ins speak to the societal norms adopted by the groups of people. Taliban and other fundamentalist groups showcase the jinn mindset, while societies that struggle for human rights and collective governance showcase the ins mindset.

There are about 10 verses (if I counted correctly) in the Quran where the phrase al-jini wal-insi or al-insi wal-jini is used:

6:112 Remember, We have appointed to every Prophet enemies. The rebellious (shayatina) among the urban and the rural populations rose in opposition, (since the Message struck at their personal interests.) They plotted and inspired each other with fancy words. If your Sustainer willed, they would not do that. Disregard them and whatever they fabricate.

6:130 O You, assembly of the nomads and the urbanites! Did not Messengers come to you from among yourselves, conveyed to you My messages and warned you of the meeting of this your Day? They will say, "We testify against ourselves.” Pursuit of only the worldly life preoccupied their hearts and minds. They will bear witness against themselves that they disregarded the truth.

7:38 God will command them to join the previous uncivilized and civilized communities into the fire. Every later group will blame the earlier one, "Our Sustainer! These are the ones who misled us; double their punishment.” He will say, “Doubled for all”: but this you do not know. [The first group violated the laws and misled others, and the second group was guilty of blind following and misleading their successors]

7:179 We have committed to Hell numerous people, rural and urban (they are living a life of hell). They have hearts that they use not to understand. They have eyes with which they see not, and they have ears with which they hear not. They are like cattle. Nay, they are further astray. Such are the ones who have chosen to live in the darkness of ignorance.

27:17 Solomon’s army included warrior tribes of the woods and the mountains, dwellers of townships, and great riders of the tribe of Taer. They were well disciplined, and dedicated to any appointed mission.

41:25 (In the life of the world) We assigned them comrades who made pleasing to them their present and past actions. And so, the Word has come to pass for them as it did concerning the communities that lived before them, among the rural and the urban. They all are losers. [The Divine law so applied to them. 43:36. ‘Birds of the same feather flock together’]

41:29 And the deniers will say, "Our Sustainer! Show us those, among the nomads and the urban, who misled us. We will trample them under our feet so that they become utterly disgraced."

46:18 Such are the ones against whom the Word came to pass among the previous generations of the rural and the urban. They will surely be lost!

51:56 And I have not created the ‘jinn’ and the ‘ins’ but that they obey (serve) Me alone. [Jinn = Nomads. Ins = Urbanites. Check Surah 72 Al-Jinn, author’s note, for details. Ibadah is usually translated as worship but in that sense it applies better to idol-worship. And since the Qur’an consistently promotes action over ritual, Ibadah means obeying God by serving His creation]

55:33 O Communities of the nomads and the urban! If you can break through the fences of the heavens and earth, then, break through. Never can you break through without an authority (which you won’t have). Can you bring any evidence?

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