Children of Israel

by Denis Sadykov ⌂ @, Russia, Ufa, Sunday, September 16, 2012, 17:53 (1802 days ago)

"O Children of Israel! Remember the blessings I bestowed upon you and how I gave you distinction among the nations" (2:47).

The expression "children of Israel" speech about all of them (including children) or on a specific group of people?:-)

Children of Israel

by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Monday, September 17, 2012, 07:40 (1801 days ago) @ Denis Sadykov

Bible, Isaiah 17:9
In that day his strong cities will be as a forsaken bough And an uppermost branch, Which they left because of the children of Israel; And there will be desolation.

The Quran uses the term “children of Israel” that was/is familiar to those who knew it, namely those people who had been sent previous Messengers like Moses, David, Solomon, etc. It is a term used for the people of that area as a whole who were ‘given’ distinction when they followed Divine Law. When they abused this, losing their way, they brought punishment upon themselves.

The Quran affirms that only those who follow the right path will be maintain their prosperity, which was true for many a time for the ‘Jews’:-

2:124 And remember when his Lord had Abraham go through trying circumstances with His commands, and he fulfilled them. Then He said, “I have appointed you an exemplary leader for all mankind.” He asked, “And of my offspring (will there be exemplary leaders as well)?” He replied, “My Covenant does not include the wrongdoers.”
[Being the offspring of a great man avails none. Trying circumstances: Abraham stood up to the formidable challenge of a mighty priesthood, rampant idolatry and the tyrannical autocracy of King Nimrod Shaddad in Ur, Mesopotamia. Imam = Plumb line that ensures the verticality of a wall = An outstanding leader]

2:126 And Abraham prayed, “My Lord! Make this land a haven of peace and security, and provide its residents with plentiful sustenance; those who believe in God and the Last Day.” He answered, “I will also provide for those who disbelieve and let them enjoy for a short while, then I will commit them to the suffering of the fire, a miserable destiny!” [14:37, 17:18-20, 22:25, 95:3]

Children of Israel

by Denis Sadykov ⌂ @, Russia, Ufa, Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 19:37 (1799 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

Thank you:-)

Shabbir Ahmed (O Prophet!) You will find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to the believers to be the Jews and the idolaters. Closer in affection to the believers you will find those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them there are priests and monks and because they are not given to arrogance (5:82).

Muslims enemies - Jews and the idolaters?

Peace;-)

Children of Israel

by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 08:25 (1799 days ago) @ Denis Sadykov

I always read the context of a verse when trying to understand it:-

5:77 Say, “O People of the Book! Do not overstep the bounds of truth in your religious beliefs. And do not follow the errant views of people who have gone astray long before, and led a great many others astray, and those who are still straying from the Even way.
5:78 THOSE Children of Israel who were bent upon opposing the truth have already been condemned by the tongue of David and of Jesus, son of Mary. This is so because they rebelled and persisted in overstepping the bounds of what is right.
5:79 They did not restrain one another from violating the Permanent Values. Evil was what they used to do.
5:80 Even now you see many of them allying themselves with the rejecters. Evil indeed is what they send forth for their own „self‟. God is displeased with them, and they will abide in the doom.
5:81 If they had believed in God and the Prophet, and what is revealed to him, they (the People of the Scripture) would not ally themselves with the rejecters. But a great many of them are drifting away from the truth.
5:82 (O Prophet) you will find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to the believers to be the Jews and the idolaters. Closer in affection to the believers you will find those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them there are priests and monks and because they are not given to arrogance.
5:83 When they hear and understand what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflow with tears because they recognize the truth in it. They say, "Our Lord! We choose to believe, so write us down with those who bear witness to the truth.” [Sama‟ = Hear = Hear and understand]

The Quran starts off by addressing the People of the Book, namely Jews and Christians, amongst whom SOME have gone astray in some manner of religious belief and practice. Also, SOME Jews have been condemned by G_d in the “Old” Testament, had their nation and temple destroyed, as well as condemned by Jesus in the “New” Testament [for example Matthew chapter 23]. The Quran is only saying that SOME Jews will always oppose the truth because they follow man made rules that support their self imposed positions of power.

In 5:82 we also have the polytheists, those who associate ‘partners’ with God. In the simplest sense they are those who worship a trinity, idols, human leaders etc. Much more so is the understanding that they do not follow those values, principles, moral or ethical teachings that benefit themselves and others; they make up other rules that water down/nullify the natural order of things.

AMONG the Christians you will find good people, as well as
among the Jews and the rest of humanity, but it is THOSE who are opposed to reforming themselves and society that are being addressed here.

I collected a list of Quranic verses that teach us how to behave; only those who are “overstepping the bounds of what is right” oppose them! Why?

http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=1912

Another misunderstanding that may come to mind regarding enemies is not taking Jews and Christians as friends.

Surah 5 verse 51-53
5:51 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! (Since they deny the Final Revelation that is the Constitution of your state), Do not take the Jews and Christians as your allies. They are allies of one another. He among you who takes them for allies is one of them. God does not guide those who displace Command with desire. [The verse is talking about taking allies on a national scale, and not about individual friends. See 60:7-9]
5:52 You will see those who harbour doubt in their hearts running to them saying, “We fear that a change of fortune may befall us.” But, God will bring you victory, or His Command will come to pass and they will regret what they harboured in their hearts.
5:53 The believers will then wonder: "Are these the same people who swore by God that they were with the believers?" Eventually, all their deeds will go to waste and they will be great losers.

These verses are brought up again and again by non Muslims to criticise us as well as ignorant Muslims who want to cause mischief. To answer the above misunderstood verse we should read the following:-

Surah 5 verses 56-60
5:56 Those who ally themselves with God and His Messenger and the believers, belong in the party of God. Absolutely they are the victorious.
5:57 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Do not take for allies, some of the people who were given the Scripture before you, and the rejecters who mock and ridicule your Religion. Be mindful of God’s Commands if you are indeed believers.
5:58 When you call to prayer, they mock it and make a jest of it, simply because they are a people who do not use reason. [They do not know that the call with its clearest Mission Statement is unique in the world and speaks volumes of the conviction behind it]
5:59 Say, "O People of the Scripture! Do you not blame us just because we believe in God, and what is revealed to us and what was revealed before? And because most of you are drifting away from the Right Direction?”
5:60 Say, “Shall I point out to you something much worse for retribution with God? Worse is the case of those whom God has rejected, and His requital hits them. And remember those whom God’s Law relegated from the honourable stature of humanity and they started behaving like apes and swine. And they fell into becoming the slaves of Taaghoot (tyrants and the priesthood of any religion). Such are in worse plight, and farther astray than the mockers.” [2:65, 4:51]

Note in the above that by their actions they became like “apes and swines” and this does not mean that Allah turned them into physical monkeys and pigs! Apes is describing their thoughtlessness and animal tendencies (we were descended from an ape like creature, , before we were endowed with “intellect”! No comment!) and swine are often described as the lowest of animals and it is fitting that this detested animal is used to describe those who reject the straight path (it is of no use not eating this animal when you become like one!).

It is those who reject/ridicule what is good for them that are to be kept at arm’s length, for if we bring them close they will corrupt us.

A repeat of the following verses:-

Surah 5 verses 78-83

5:78 Those Children of Israel who were bent upon denying the Truth have already been condemned by the tongue of David and of Jesus, son of Mary. This because they rebelled and persisted in overstepping the bounds of what is right.
5:79 They did not restrain one another from violating the Permanent Values. Their behaviour was indeed miserable.
5:80 Even now you see many of them allying themselves with the rejecters. Miserable indeed is what they send forth for their ‘selves’. God is displeased with them and in the doom they will abide forever.
5:81 If they had believed in God and the Prophet, and what is revealed to him, they (the People of the Scripture) would not ally themselves with the rejecters. But a great many of them are drifting away from the Truth.
5:82 (O Prophet) You will find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to the believers to be the Jews and the idolaters. Closer in affection to the believers you will find those who say, "We are Christians." That is because there are among them priests and monks and because they are not given to arrogance.
5:83 When they listen to what has been revealed to the Messenger, you (O Prophet) see their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say, "Our Lord! We accept it, so count us among the witnesses.”

Those that we should be alienating ourselves from are those who are opposed to our viewpoint. Those who work against us, cause trouble and do wrong. Common sense really but does this mean everyone calling themselves a Christian or Jew are to be vilified?

Surah 60 verses 5-9
60:5 Our Lord! Let us not be made a target of persecution at the hands of the rejecters. And protect us, our Lord!” Surely, You, You alone are the Mighty, the Wise.” [Ghafarah = Helmet, armor = Protection = Forgiveness = Preservation = Absolution of faults = Protection against intrinsic or extrinsic loss]
60:6 In them, indeed, you have an excellent pattern, for anyone who looks forward to God and the Last Day. And whoever turns away, behold! God; He is Independent, the Owner of all Praise.
60:7 It may well be that God will bring about affection between you and those whom you now consider enemies. Certainly, God is Able to do all things. (He is the Powerful Appointer of His Laws.) And God is Forgiving, Merciful.
60:8 God does not forbid you from being kind, and fully equitable to those who do not fight you on account of Religion, and do not evict you from your homelands. Indeed, God loves those who lead a just, balanced life.
[Deen = Divinely Prescribed System of Life = Way of life = Collective system of living = Religion]
60:9 God forbids you from befriending only those who fight you on account of Religion and evict you from your homelands, or help others in evicting you. Those who befriend them, will be wrongdoers.

NO! Be kind to the good people, strive to come to common terms between us and them, use education and be a good example to those who lack wisdom and do not see the good in you.

Jews are praised as well:-

Surah 7 verse 159
7:159 The people of Moses were given similar Guidance and a section among them was guided and did justice in Truth.

The following has us escorting “pagans” (the enemy) to safety; again no beheading or suicide explosive belts:-

Surah 9 verse 6
9:6 (O Messenger) If anyone of the idolaters seeks your protection or a safe passage, grant him protection from the State. Convey to him the Word of God, and then send him to a place where he feels safe and secure. This kindness on your part is mandatory because they are people who have not yet seen the beauty of the Divine System.

We Muslims have not seen the benefits of the Divine System since we are more than happy to practice man made Sharia and bow our wills down to every Mullah and idolatrous Imam that happens to grow a beard and knows how to recite the Arabic Quran to bamboozle us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Children of Israel

by Denis Sadykov ⌂ @, Russia, Ufa, Saturday, September 22, 2012, 10:23 (1796 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

The rejecters (5:81).

Who are these men?

Children of Israel

by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Monday, September 24, 2012, 07:33 (1794 days ago) @ Denis Sadykov

Rejecters are those who do not accept the Quran as the Word of God.

A Jew hearing or reading the Quran will know straight away that it is stating that there is one God, what His laws are, believe in previous Messengers of God, the values being advanced for bettering human society, etc, so they should have no problem in accepting this as a worthy source of knowledge and guidance, even if they do not accept that Mohammad was a Messenger of God. But knowing what the Quran says they still allied themselves with the pagans, idol worshippers and despots!

The rejecters are everyone who says no to human rights.

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