Virgin Birth of Jesus

by Azam Khan Lahore, Monday, May 06, 2013, 00:05 (1566 days ago)

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إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن
تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ
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Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him,
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Be, and he was.قَالَتْ رَبِّ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي
وَلَدٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ قَالَ كَذَٰلِكِ اللَّهُ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاءُ إِذَا قَضَىٰ أَمْرًا فَإِنَّمَا يَقُولُ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ
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She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.

As per above Ayaath Prophet Jesus was born by Allah's Order "KUN FAYAKOON " just like Adam. Do all Muslims believe?

Virgin Birth of Jesus

by Dr AbdusSalaam Sayyad, Meerut, India, Tuesday, May 07, 2013, 05:05 (1565 days ago) @ Azam Khan Lahore

3:47

She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases;when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.
* You Ask :

As per above Ayaath Prophet Jesus was born by Allah's Order "KUN FAYAKOON " just like Adam. Do all Muslims believe?
* Dr Shabbir's understanding against Virgin Birth of Jesus :
http://www.galaxydastak.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119...

Natural Birth of Jesus

by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Wednesday, May 08, 2013, 12:31 (1564 days ago) @ Azam Khan Lahore

‘Be’ means that Allah decrees a thing and it comes about according to His laws which He created. He is not bound by time or space so things happen in time which we observe and are bound by.

Here are some verses with KUN FAYAKOON in:-

2:117 The Originator of the heavens and earth: when He wills a thing to be, He but says to it “Be” – and it is. [Qaul = Saying = Thought. Badee’ = Initiator = Originator = One Who creates from nothing = The Impeccable Creator]
2:118 Only those who fail to explore the realm of knowledge say, “Why does God not speak to us directly, nor is a miracle shown to us?” Even thus, as they now speak, spoke those who lived before their times. Their ways of thinking, their hearts and minds are all alike (untouched by the passage of time). We have made clear all the Signs for those who wish to attain conviction [by exploring the internal evidence in these revelations and in the Universe. 2:108, 2:256, 18:29, 42:51, 76:3]

6:73 And He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth with a definite purpose. Whenever He says “Be!” it is. His Word is the truth. And His will be the Dominion on the Day the Trumpet (of Resurrection) is blown. Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, for, He is the Wise, the Aware. [3:191, 38:27]

Did the universe pop out of existence in a fully developed form, or did it evolve in 6 stages? Since ‘be’ in this context clearly denotes prolonged timescales for everything to reach the stage that Allah had ordained for it, then all He is saying regarding Jesus was that He decreed Mary to have a son which she would conceive and give birth to in the natural, male input, manner.

Jesus was created like Adam means Jesus was like any other man, conceived and brought into existence by the natural process, just like the rest of MANKIND. Adam= Mankind.

Natural Birth of Jesus

by Waqas ⌂ @, UK, Thursday, June 06, 2013, 13:53 (1535 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

peace all,

You may find this thread interesting:
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=829

Natural Birth of Jesus

by Vazir @, Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 23:47 (1465 days ago) @ Waqas

QXP 6:101 Wonderful Originator of the heavens and earth; how can He have a son when He never chose for Himself a mate? He creates all things (and does not procreate 112:3.) and He is the Profound Knower of all things and events.

[So, how could Mary have a son without a mate? God never changes His laws operative in the universe. Amazingly, three of the four gospels mention Joseph the Carpenter as the father of Jesus]

This verse is sufficient to point out that Allah SWT does not change His laws for even Himself, then how can there be any miracle which violets laws of physics/ nature, which are made by Him?

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