Divine Miracle, Magic & Whispering ...

by Dr Zakiya Ansari DM, Mumbai, India, Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 11:29 (1617 days ago)

Divine Miracle, Magic & Whispering ...

by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 08:05 (1616 days ago) @ Dr Zakiya Ansari DM

Y.Ali 12:96Then when the bearer of the good news came, He cast (the shirt) over his face, and he forthwith regained clear sight. He said: "Did I not say to you, 'I know from God that which ye know not?'"

Read the above with the following in mind:-

2:18 Deaf, dumb and blind of reason! They will not return to journey in the right direction (unless they use their perceptual and conceptual faculties. 8:22, 16:76, 17:36).

When Jacob was given the shirt of Joseph, he recognised the ‘scent’ of his son and knew he was alive. He understood this and saw the reality of what he had heard. How can a Messenger, Jacob, go blind with grief in the first place? The Quran asks us to bear adversity with patience so this makes a mockery of the belief that Jacob cried over the loss of Joseph and made himself blind.

Dr Shabbir 12:96 (The caravan arrived in Can‟aan.) The bearer of the good news came and cast (Joseph‟s royal shirt) over his (Jacob‟s) face, he was delighted and his eyes saw the reality. He said, “Did I not tell you that I know from God what you do not know?”

No miracle.

Y.Ali 2:102hey followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!

Are we to understand that the two ‘angels’ used black magic, miracles to corrupt people? These people were put under a spell which was a miracle? This understanding is contradicted by the following verse which has the ‘master of all evil, Satan, telling us that his power is only over those who do wrong themselves. They choose to listen to falsehood, they choose to do wrong by their own actions and not under the influence of even Satan himself. He is powerless, so no black magic, no miraculous mind control, no voodoo.

14:22 And Satan (their selfish desires) will disown them after the Judgment has been issued, "God promised you a true promise. And I promised you, then failed you. But I had no power over you except that I called upon you and you obeyed me. So do not blame me, blame yourselves. Neither can I help you, nor can you help me. Now I condemn your act of associating me with God. There must be a painful doom for all those who relegate the truth and choose to do wrong.”

Dr Shabbir 2:102 (Their clergy have been distorting the Scripture in the past as well.) They propagated a rumor that satanic people preached in the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon never disbelieved but the satanic people did. They taught people “magic” while NOTHING was revealed through the two angels Haaroot and Maaroot in Babylon. (The rumour further stated that) they used to warn people, “Both of us are only a temptation, therefore do not reject God.” And that the people learned from both of them how to create discord between a man and his wife. They could harm none against the Divine laws. And what the people learned from them only harmed them instead of benefiting them. People must know that whoever indulges in this trade (the so-called occult sciences) will have no share in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they sell their ‘self’ for. They would know only if they used their intellect.
[The entire story of Haaroot Maaroot was a fabrication. Magic, amulets, ghoul, demon-possession, exorcism, witchcraft, evil eye, fortune telling, astrology, palm reading, clairvoyance, knowledge of the future, Voodoo, are nothing but conjecture. These things can neither harm nor benefit anyone since nothing happens in the Universe contrary to the immutable Divine laws in nature. However, superstitions can harm people by becoming self-fulfilling prophecies. 3:123-127, JIBT 4:51, 6:73, 7:54, 45:22]

Finally
Y.Ali 114
1. Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind,
2. The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,
3. The Allah (for judge) of Mankind,-
4. From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),-
5. (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-
6. Among Jinns and among men.

Again, are we suggesting that the whisperer has the ability to manipulate a person to do something against their own will? I have already shown how castrated Satan is, so we can discount any magic or miracle.

Dr Shabbir
114:1 Say, "I seek refuge with the Lord of Mankind.
114:2 The King of mankind.
114:3 The God of mankind.
114:4 From the evil of the whisperer who withdraws (after prompting one to do evil).
114:5 That whispers in the hearts of people.
114:6 (And) from the hidden psyche that rationalizes the evil, as well as the temptations that come from people."

Is it Divine? Does Allah manipulate us and then do something that confounds our minds, makes a miracle so that we know something came from Him and had some purpose [whatever that may be?]. Allah says you will find no change in His laws, so how can He contradict this by breaking them Himself? This would be un-Godly.

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by Dr Zakiya Ansari DM, Mumbai, India,, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 18:11 (1615 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

1) 50 translation v/s One Expositions !!
2) Another Ayat for Muejizah (Divine Miracle) :
20:20
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/20/20/default.htm

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by jawaid ahmed,uk @, Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:00 (1615 days ago) @ Dr Zakiya Ansari DM

We seem to go round and round in circles with the idioms of the Quran. Please address my question of how would you translate ‘a bird in hand is worth two in the bush’ into another language. Would you do it literally or would you change the words and put its meaning?

600,000,000 Hindus believe in monkey headed gods! So 50 translators have literalised 20:20, making a snake dance! A few have put its meaning, giving Moses decisive arguments based on the Divine message he received from Allah. The snake moves effortlessly, just like the truth of Moses’ message will overcome the falsehood of Pharaoh. This is classical Arabic literature/poetry, seen in the dictionaries but ignored by the majority translators because they are influenced by the corrupted Bible.
The Quran has ‘keys’ to unlock the meaning of verses which should never be read out of context.

20:13. "I have chosen thee: listen, then, to the inspiration (sent to thee).

Allah is giving Moses revelation. This is so that he can reform his society which he tried to do with Pharaoh but eventually had to leave him and the rest is history.

Take off your shoes=your journey of seeking the truth has ended [Quran says Moses was looking for guidance and Allah gave it to him].

Staff=directs sheep=directing his people to the straight path

White right hand= white means cleansed, right hand means power=Moses given the strength of pure revelation to reform the people.

The Quran is more than a book of wonders; it is a book of social reformation, guidance to the straight path which is consistently addressed throughout by way of example to all the peoples mentioned.

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by Dr Zakiya Ansari DM, Mumbai, India, Thursday, May 23, 2013, 14:19 (1615 days ago) @ jawaid ahmed,uk

1) M.Asad's translation is also false ??

2) Another Ayat for Muejizah (Divine Miracle):

26:63
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/26/63/default.htm

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by Laurie Hamdani @, Chicago, Thursday, May 23, 2013, 15:26 (1615 days ago) @ Dr Zakiya Ansari DM

Dear Brothers, you have both conveyed your points. Respectfully agreeing to disagree is the best course.

I, however, don't believe in miracles as, by definition, they defy the laws of nature which Allah has put into place. We can perhaps all agree that mankind does not as yet fully understand all laws of nature.

--
Salaam and thank you.

Divine Miracle,Magic & Whispering | World itself is Miracle!

by Hasan | hasansurti1952@yahoo.com @, India, Friday, May 24, 2013, 13:07 (1614 days ago) @ Laurie Hamdani

World itself is Miracle :-)

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by Fadil @, Edmonton, Canada, Sunday, June 23, 2013, 04:43 (1584 days ago) @ Dr Zakiya Ansari DM

Dr Zakiya: 50 translation v/s One Expositions !!

It is really a pity to realize that some people take their religion from the majority. In my teens, i thought a Dr had an infallible knowledge; but fortunately I quickly realized that a PhD has nothing to do with sound knowledge.

Dr Zakiya, majority only lead astray from God's way (6:116)

6:114 Say, “Shall I seek for Judge and Ruler someone other than God? He is the One Who has revealed this Book, well expounded in detail for you.” Those whom We have given the Book know that this is revealed in truth from your Sustainer. Be not among those who argue for the sake of argument.

6:115 Perfected is the Word of your Sustainer in truth and Justice. None can change His words and His laws. And He is the Profound Hearer, the Knower. [6:34, 6:115, 10:64, 17:77, 18:27, 33:38, 33:62, 40:85, 48:23]

6:116 (People will confront you with what the majority is doing.) Now if you pay heed to, or get intimidated by majority of those who live on earth, they will lead you astray from God’s way. Most of the people follow nothing but conjecture and they only live by guesswork.

Following 50 confusing and contracting Quran translations + 50 other volumes of Bukhari et al. = be in the straight path

Good luck Dr Zakiya

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by Dr Zakiya Ansari DM, Mumbai, India, Thursday, June 27, 2013, 18:10 (1579 days ago) @ Fadil

Dear Fadil,

All 50 translations are gisty that's why I always tally with Word by Word translation.

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=114&verse=4

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by Dr Linda Merchant., Jaipur, India., Friday, June 28, 2013, 03:40 (1579 days ago) @ Dr Zakiya Ansari DM

Divine Miracle, Magic & Whispering ...

by Fadil @, Yaounde, Cameroon, Monday, July 01, 2013, 06:21 (1576 days ago) @ Dr Zakiya Ansari DM

Dear Dr Zakiya,
The 50 volumes of Quran translation are all the same. There is very little difference among those translations. What is happening is that one translator is copying from the other with very minor changes. So, all the 50 volumes end up to be the same.
Please, don't take your religion from the translations. I totally agree with you that you can have a different view or disagreement with others translations, but believe in something because 50 translations have said so is very weak to me.

Salam

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