Where is Bakkah ??

by Dr Linda India, India., Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 15:24 (1566 days ago)

If Makkah and Bakkah are different then where is Bakkah ??

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Where is Bakkah ??

by amirabbas, Iran, Wednesday, September 04, 2013, 11:05 (1565 days ago) @ Dr Linda India

"Bakkah (Arabic: بكة‎) is an ancient name for Mecca, the most holy city of Islam.[1] Most people believe they are synonyms, but to Muslim scholars there is a distinction: Bakkah refers to the Kaaba and the sacred site immediately surrounding it, while Mecca is the name of the city in which they are both located.[2]

Bakkah is mentioned in sura 3 (Al-i-Imran), ayah 96 of the Qur'an, where it is said to be the site of the first place of worship.[3][4][5] Others also identify it with the Biblical "valley of Baca" from Psalms 84 (Hebrew: בך‎).[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah

Where is Bakkah ?? (Jose Rizalino attn.plz.)

by Dr Linda, India., India., Wednesday, September 04, 2013, 16:58 (1565 days ago) @ amirabbas

Dear Jose Rizalino Sarmiento.

* You wrote :
Prophet Ibrahim together with his sonprophet Ismail raisedthe foundation of theBayt in BAKKAH..MAKKAH is not BAKKAH..remember, God doesn't run out of words..
* Bro. Amirabbas wrote :
"Bakkah (Arabic: بكة‎) is an ancient name for Mecca, the most holy city of Islam.[1] Most peoplebelieve they are synonyms, but to Muslim scholars thereis a distinction: Bakkah refers to the Kaaba and the sacredsite immediately surrounding it, while Mecca is the name of the city in which theyare both located.[2]
Bakkah is mentioned in sura 3 (Al-i-Imran), ayah 96 of the Qur'an, where it is said to be the site of the first place of worship.[3][4][5] Others also identify itwith the Biblical"valley of Baca" from Psalms 84 (Hebrew: בך‎).[6][7]"
https://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Bakkah
* My Question :
Can you reply to Bro. Amirabbas' above post ??
^
Your Post :
http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=4775

Where is Bakkah ?? (Jose Rizalino attn.plz.)

by joserizalinosarmiento ⌂ @, saudiarabia, Monday, September 16, 2013, 11:36 (1553 days ago) @ Dr Linda, India.

/produce your proof bro..
haatu burhaanakum..
I have given my proof side by side with my claim and it's from none other than the book of God.
looking forward to see your proof..from the Quran which would explain in no uncertain terms that indeed Bakkah was changed to mean Makkah/Mecca..
salaam :-)

Where is Bakkah ?? (Jose Rizalino attn.plz.)

by Dr Linda., India., Friday, September 20, 2013, 16:12 (1549 days ago) @ joserizalinosarmiento

You are roofed under 100 % inaccuracy
Dear joserizalinosarmiento,

You haven’t specified a Single Evidence by means of Qur’an That attest the fiction that Makkah was not Formerly Bakkah !! After Scanning your Post the Peak Stun intruded on me that devoid of attending any testimony, you are empathizing with your Mind to yourself that you have Proved Socially that in earlier times Bakkah was not Makkah!!
It is also affirmed in the Book Namely QXP by Dr. Shabbir that into the epochs the Pronunciation of ‘B’ in Bakkah was changed to ‘M’ by the People and in that way it turned into Makkah !!
Till the instance you aren’t bright to Specify the locality of Bakkah, you have no Right to Proclaim that Makkah was not Formerly Bakkah for the reason that in upcoming Eras if any Chaotic Character Claim that the Personality Named ‘Isa’ in Qur’an is Not Jesus because There isn’t any Single text similar to the word Jesus in the Qur’an and the Same made-up anecdote would be used for Many other Prophets ??

Where is Bakkah ?? (Jose Rizalino attn.plz.)

by amirabbas, Iran, Saturday, September 21, 2013, 10:29 (1548 days ago) @ Dr Linda.

I think there's not point in such discussions! Of all the invaluable information in the Qur'an, are we choosing such details that sooner or later would come to certain light?

Now, we have implemented the Qur'an in our lives and societies and remain only to determine whether it was "Bakkah" or "Makkah"!

Regarding other historical data, we need to keep in mind that the Qur'an teaches us the reasons for the annihilation of previous communities so that we would focus on those reasons rather than the archeological details.

The archeological details can help us to verify the truth within the Qur'an and we have enough of structures from the previous communities that today are left for us as wonders and attractions.

Where is Bakkah ?? (Jose Rizalino attn.plz.)

by Jose Rizalino Sarmiento @, saudi arabia, Tuesday, September 24, 2013, 16:20 (1545 days ago) @ amirabbas

salam bro.amirabbas

You wrote:

I think there's not point in such discussions! Of all the invaluable information in the Qur'an, are we choosing such details that sooner or later would come to certain light?

Now, we have implemented the Qur'an in our lives and societies and remain only to determine whether it was "Bakkah" or "Makkah"!

Regarding other historical data, we need to keep in mind that the Qur'an teaches us the reasons for the annihilation of previous communities so that we would focus on those reasons rather than the archeological details.

The archeological details can help us to verify the truth within the Qur'an and we have enough of structures from the previous communities that today are left for us as wonders and attractions.


my view:

You are downplaying the significance of what is being discussed. Lest you forget, pilgrimage is a duty we owe to God. So to you whether it's Makkah or Bakkah doesn't matter. To God it does. That's why He had sent down the Qur'an for our guidance and a warning for those who heed not and are bent on transgression.
Ponder this, in one surah God mentioned Makkah in the context of fighting, then in 3:96 He mentioned Bakkah as the location where His servant Ibrahim raised the foundations of the first House. Did God got His spelling wrong? Now, if one still insist that Makkah is Bakkah, I can only say, fear
God.

Where is Bakkah ?? (Jose Rizalino attn.plz.)

by amirabbas, Iran, Wednesday, September 25, 2013, 10:14 (1544 days ago) @ Jose Rizalino Sarmiento

Dear Brother,

i find this argument from Wikipedia a good one: Most people believe they are synonyms, but to Muslim scholars there is a distinction: Bakkah refers to the Kaaba and the sacred site immediately surrounding it, while Mecca is the name of the city in which they are both located.

By the time prophet Abraham was building the sanctuary there was no "Makkah" as today or 1400 years ago. "Makkah" came to become a well-known city because of the "Ka'bah", the site that Abraham and his son built in a site that, at that time, was known as "Bakkah".

Now you say why at a place it was called "Bakkah" and not "Makkah"! My answer is that because the Qur'an cannot be a time-bound book! At the time when Abraham was building the sanctuary it was in a place known as "Bakkah" while at the time of the Prophet Muhammad "Makkah" has already been a well-known city thus calling it "Makkah"!

Regarding pilgrimage i think the whole concept of "Hajj" that is practiced today by numerous Muslims is not right and must be replaced with something more meaningful and useful for humanity. I don't believe in a simple and ritualistic pilgrimage.

Where is Bakkah ??

by joserizalinosarmiento ⌂ @, saudiarabia, Monday, September 16, 2013, 12:07 (1553 days ago) @ Dr Linda India

we have no idea where Bakkah is..IMHO, it is the obligation of every believing Muslim to do some painstaking research and leave no stone unturned to locate the place..we are now in an age of technology, so there's no reason we can't do that..as soon as possible before it's too late..right now in an area in the Asir Province just close to the border with Yemen the saud govt. has embarked on a whole scale clearing of an ancient place just because some years ago an American's been there and have taken photos of the area..what are they trying to cover up? the truth? nowadays the said area was fenced and no less than the military stood as guards on the site while the area is being bulldozed day and night to level it.. the area is a mountainous terrain.

Where is Bakkah ??

by Dr Linda, India., Friday, September 20, 2013, 00:15 (1549 days ago) @ joserizalinosarmiento

Foremost of all you don’t have any right to assert about anything when you are out of the Unconditional Data concerning the same and in that Condition you are not Endorsed to Declare that Makkah was not formerly Bakkah! Secondly, there is also a Veracity on this Planet that you are not authorized to Count Erroneous to any one on the Matter in which you are Naive!

Where is Bakkah ??

by Daya Jiva, India., Saturday, September 21, 2013, 17:11 (1548 days ago) @ joserizalinosarmiento

Presuppose that if the Capital Namely Bakkah referred in the Qur’an was not transformed to Makkah in that case also you Would say that this Bakkah is not the Bakkah accredited in Quraan?

Where is Bakkah ??

by Jose Rizalino Sarmiento @, saudi arabia, Monday, September 23, 2013, 17:09 (1546 days ago) @ Daya Jiva

You are confused. The Qur'an simply states that the first House for mankind was that at Bakkah and pilgrimage to this place is a duty mankind owe to God. As to the location of this place, no one knows.

Where is Bakkah ?? | Jose Rizalino Sarmiento

by Daya Jiva., India., Tuesday, September 24, 2013, 03:51 (1545 days ago) @ Jose Rizalino Sarmiento

Dear Jose Rizalino Sarmiento,
You Wrote :
You are confused. The Qur'an simply states that the first House for mankind was that at Bakkah and pilgrimage to this place is a duty mankind owe to God.
As to the location of this place, no one knows
My Question :
If no one knows location of Bakkah then why God has fixed such a place for Pilgrimage ??

Where is Bakkah ?? | Jose Rizalino Sarmiento

by Jose Rizalino Sarmiento @, saudi arabia, Tuesday, September 24, 2013, 15:00 (1545 days ago) @ Daya Jiva.

Dear Daya Jiva
No one knows exactly where Bakka is at present, but, surely in the time of Abraham and the generation after him, they knew where it is.

Where is Bakkah ??

by Jose Rizalino Sarmiento @, saudi arabia, Monday, September 23, 2013, 17:47 (1546 days ago) @ Daya Jiva

Is there a place now named Bakkah? that match the description in the Qur'an?

Where is Bakkah ??

by Sadia Khot., India., Tuesday, September 24, 2013, 17:04 (1545 days ago) @ Jose Rizalino Sarmiento

DISCUSSION CLOSED: Where is Bakkah ??

by Laurie Hamdani @, Chicago, Wednesday, September 25, 2013, 15:10 (1544 days ago) @ Dr Linda India

The moderator respectfully is closing this discussion due to recent submissions being of either:

  • Poor english or grammar
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